Double Tap ammo reportedly loads this all copper hollow point to the.338 Federal’s top speed of 2,900 fps. That 160gr TTSX is an absolute hammer in the .338 Federal. It is a big game caliber designed with reasonable recoil for today’s lightweight rifles. A factory loaded cartridge is always more desirable than a wildcat. Of all those elk, I'd say 75% where shot inside of 200 yards. For deer and black bear it is limited by its trajectory, not its killing power. Which one of these popular rounds will be named the best all-around black bear hunting cartridge By Ron Spomer Nosler loads a 140 grain accubond and a 140 grain e-tip Federal loads a 140 grain trophy bonded tip, a 140 grain partition and a 140 grain trophy copper Doubletap loads a 160 accubond, a 140 Barnes TTSX and if you call them, they'll probably make you a 150 accubond LR Hornady makes a 139 grain GMX superformance The .338 Federal was designed by Federal Ammunition and it is a SAAMI standardized cartridge that was released in 2006. All that said, in a short action, light weight, <300 yard hunting rifle, shooting 210g bullets at 2450 fps, the 338 Federal really shines and it hits like a hammer, in my opinion. The 338 Federal is a rifle cartridge that provides the energy of a 7mm Remington Magnum in a necked-up 308 Winchester case. In their new .338 Federal has offered hunters a nearly ideal cartridge to fill the perceived need for both a useful woods cartridge and a powerful yet controllable medium bore. Let's take a closer look at the three Federal Premium factory loads, starting with the bullets. maximum theoretically sustainable by the average person. Certainly anyone can shoot more accurately with a rifle that kicks less. That leaves magnums. And this is the reduced recoil .338 Federal woods load! 338 Federal is 308 Winchester with a 338 bullet. At 300 yards the 200-grain .338 Federal TBT and 180-grain .308 Win. I have had to chase too many animals for too many miles that were shot with a 30-06 that didn't penetrate a shoulder. Factory .338 Winchester Magnum loads cannot compete with hand loads driven 200 and sometimes up to 300fps faster than their factory counterparts. Although the .338-06 was not adopted by the big brands, this cartridge was nevertheless standardized and was to a limited extent a factory chambering. I’ve clobbered a couple of nice bull elk with this load at 150 and 200 yards and I’m not even sure the bullet slowed down after breaking both shoulders each time. and recoil velocity (in fps) figures from the HuntAmerica.com recoil calculator for those loads when fired in an 8 pound rifle: It has been estimated in various places that about 20 ft. lbs. Three Premium load offerings became available from Federal in the spring of 2006: A fourth factory load, in the less expensive Fusion line, has been announced. In these respects, the newer .325WSM has an advantage for factory ammunition users wanting an Elk cartridge capable of delivering the fastest possible killing out to moderate ranges. I would recommend the Remington or Winchester standard powerpoints or corlokts as well as whatever Federal is calling their "standard" load this year. But the true beauty of the .338 Federal is you get near .338 Win. Open up the load data page you wish to download. But elk aren't the only critters you are likely to share turf with and maintaining top rung on the food chain is a serious consideration. He is buying the reamer, and I do the dirty job of cranking out the barrels. Mag. Before you decide on a 338 Federal you should really consider the 35 Whelen. Here are the OGW figures for the Premium .338 Federal factory loads: According to the OGW formula, shooting the 210 grain Nosler bullet the .338 Federal is a 200 yard grizzly/brown bear load and a 300 yard Rocky Mountain elk load. A light weight 338-06 (or 308, 7-08, 30-06, 280, 270, etc) would be about as good as it gets, IMO. At the target velocity a conventional soft point bullet will offer all the penetration I'll ever need, and probably kill quicker and shoot more accurately than a premium bullet. If you subscribe to the theory that an elk requires at least 2,000 foot-pounds of punch for a clean kill, the 338 Win. at … This 338 Federal has been in discussion between me and my buddy from Slidell to primarily shoot hogs. In this caliber and weight the AccuBond is primarily intended for CXP2 game. The 338-08, a 308 Winchester necked up to hold a .338 bullet was the cartridge the .338 Federal was modeled after and with some minor modifications it became what it is today. Mag.". not sure if anyone has used this on elk or not and what their results were. In fact, both the 180- and the 185-grain .338 Federal offerings generate more velocity than the standard 180-grain .30-06 loading. Here are some estimated recoil energy (in ft. It opens reliably against light resistance, creating a wide wound channel. at muzzle, 842 lbs. This case has the considerable advantage of having been designed to work in short action rifles. I've shot elk and deer with my .338/06. Advertising hype aside, the .338 Federal is potentially a well-balanced and effective hunting cartridge. Recoil is stout due to the light gun but the Montana stock with excellent recoil pad tames it down, The reload that shoots best is Barnes 160 gr TTSX over IMR 8208 powder in my rifle. 338 Bullets found in: Nosler Ballistic SilverTip Hunting Bullets .338 cal .338" 200 gr SBT-BSTIP 50/ct, Barnes Tipped M/LE TAC-TX Rifle Bullets .338 cal .338" 265 gr TACTXBT 50/ct, Barnes TSX Bullets .338 Lapua .338".. I have a 338 win mag and it has taken a big Caribou Bull and numerous Elk with the Nosler Accubond 225 grain and 200 grain bullets. A Federal 215, Rem. No chance at a bear last year but devasting on a whitetail at about 120 yards. Battle of the Black Bear Cartridges: .308 Win. 348 Winchester.358″ Diameter ... *Disclaimer: The load data contained on this site is intended for use with Barnes Bullets. and 338 Federal. is the maximum amount of recoil energy that the average shooter can tolerate. This concept appealed mightily to me, and I have done what I can to promote it. It is a natural, not only for the myriad of short action bolt guns, but also for modern single shot, lever, pump, and autoloading hunting rifles. There are a variety of good .338 bullets available, and I am sure that soon reloading data will be available from all of the usual sources. for elk and are looking for a quick, easy, field-proven recipe that performs at close range yet has a … Mag. Listed below are North American Roosevelt and Rocky Mountain elk loads for most of the reasonably popular rifle calibers. Great whitetail load. Drop and drift are equally impressive. Comparison. And despite the .338 RCM's impressive numbers, the .338 Federal is no slouch. It might be a viable choice for a combination deer/elk hunt. Battle of the Black Bear Cartridges: .308 Win. He is buying the reamer, and I do the dirty job of cranking out the barrels. Most of the factory ammo in .338mag is going to be constructed with elk in mind. Whatever is most accurate for reasonable price is your best bet. The Barnes Triple-Shok is an improved all copper hollow point design with terminal performance like that of its famous predecessor, the Barnes X-Bullet. Quite obviously, the .338 Federal is not going to be as readily available or affordable as the .308 Winchester—the latter’s military origins coupled with the benefits of being .30-caliber guarantee popularity—but for a big-game hunter who wants something a bit different, the .338 Federal can handle a rather wide number of scenarios. Your mileage may vary. The Long And Short Of It Let's suppose you're just beginning to load the .338 Win. Note: Articles covering the .338 Federal in detail as well as comparing it to other cartridges can be found on the Rifle Cartridge Page. I am planning to load the 250 grain Berger elite hunter in a 338 win mag for an elk hunt next year. My favorite Moose Rifle the 338 Win 225gr Nosler Part or Accubond Reloader 19 @ 78.0 federal 215 GM primer WW cases 2900 + FPS in old Win 70 with 25" My load for 8 years this load is very close to the Alliant Reloader 19 powder website load also I believe that such a factory load could be one of the keys to the long term success of the .338 Federal Cartridge. for elk and are looking for a quick, easy, field-proven recipe that performs at close range yet has a flat trajectory and sufficient energy for longer shots. L-R are 30-06 Sprnfld., 308 Win., 243 Win., 260 Rem., 7mm-08 Rem. Sub moa groups with very little recoil. Most important, here are the approximate recoil figures for that load when fired in an 8 pound rifle: Note that this load, unlike the Premium factory loads, is below the 20 ft. lb. At Federal®, we not only build the industry's widest variety of ammunition, we offer the leading products for every facet of the shooting sports. is a legitimate 500-yard elk rifle. I'm going to build myself a light rifle with a short barrel (16") for moose hunting. Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 4:11 pm . vs. .338 Federal vs. .45-70 Govt. Shooting 200 grain fusions hunting in central Pa for deer and black bear. at 100 yards, 669 lbs. It is a big game caliber designed with reasonable recoil for today’s lightweight rifles. The virtues of the 338 federal are slightly better than 30-06 performance in a shorter lighter rifle. Again just my opinion, but the 338 and 358 are two of the same and are both sub 400 yard hunting rigs respectfully utilizing heavier bullets at or slightly above 30-06 power levels. According to Federal ballistics data, the 338 Federal pushes a 180-grain Nosler AccuBond from the muzzle at 2,840 fps to produce 3,223 foot pounds energy. Finally, the majority of.358 Winchester factory loads shoot bullets in the 180-225 grain range. Federal took their new .338 in a different direction than the .338x57 O'Connor, choosing to maximize performance rather than control recoil. Load development work in the Nosler lab showed … And, since I'll be hunting deer and elk at the same time, it may even be my deer load for this season. Whatever is most accurate for reasonable price is your best bet. When I first started shooting my .338, the standard bullet weight was 250 grains. You simply can not get a factory load larger than 180 grains for a .308. Nosler makes two 225 grain loads for the Whelen, a NP and a AB at 2725 and 2750 respectively. The 35 Whelen is a 30-06 case necked up to 35 caliber. Load development work in the Nosler lab showed it to be a very accurate and well mannered cartridge. The .338 Federal—like most of our great short-action standards—is based on the .308 Winchester case. Because of its superior SD and proven performance, this is the bullet that I would choose specifically for hunting elk and other CXP3 game, or any sort of dangerous game, with the .338 Federal. Now personally, I prefer the .338-06 just because I have more space to work with powder loads. As Federal's initial infomercial advises, "It gives big game hunters a larger diameter bullet for more weight and overall energy on target without magnum recoil . of energy at that distance. Im going to use this bullet for a cow elk this fall, MV in my tikka 338 is about 3300fps with Varget. ): Here are the trajectory figures for that load: What we have is a 200 yard elk cartridge and a 300 yard caribou cartridge in terms of optimum game weight killing power. I would like to see Federal offer, in addition to their Premium loads, a lower priced Power-Shok load that essentially duplicates the ballistics proposed above. For this purpose I'd want a 200 grain bullet at a MV of approximately 2425 fps (+/- 25 fps). (It should be remembered that O'Connor proposed his .338 well before the invention of the .308 cartridge.) Nosler Inc | Privacy Use Order Processing. All are spitzer bullets with pointed noses. Built on the .308 case and “necked-up” to hold a .338-diameter bullet, the load offers hunters a faster muzzle velocity than traditional favorites like the .308 Win., with a heavier bullet to boot. Mag. The Long And Short Of It Let's suppose you're just beginning to load the .338 Win. It is my hope that the new .338 Federal can escape the same fate. The thing that most will not agree on is my pet load is a 200 gr. Drops deer straight down and not alot of meat damage. First Look: The .338 Federal Rifle Cartridge, Federal's announcement that in the spring of 2006 they would release a new .338 caliber cartridge based on a necked-up .308 Winchester case was of great interest to me. This will make for better advertising copy, which we are already seeing: "200 feet per second more velocity than a standard .308," and "provides the energy of a 7mm Rem. (Initially, Sako is providing the rifles.) While the .338 Federal generates less recoil than the magnum medium bore cartridges, it is still in excess of the theoretical 20 pound limit and very similar to the existing .338-06 A-Square in rifles of average weight. That much power ought to satisfy any rational hunter. Recoil is the problem that has plagued medium bore rifles since the invention of smokeless powder. with a 160-grain bullet. These comparisons are all with standard loads. This bullet is noted for deep penetration for any given sectional density as it typically retains nearly all of its weight after expansion. Like the .338-06, it’s a reloader’s dream: beaucoup bullet options, and .308 Win. at 300 yards. For comparison, the 180-grain .338 Federal load is about 200 fps faster than a standard 180-grain .308 Winchester load. Nosler ballistic tip over imr 4350 powder in my pre 64 mod 70 it shoots sub moa and kills without much loss of meat. The quick pro/con list I've generated is: Pro-Great terminal performance at close range (338 is kind of a magic number for elk) Most 338 fed bullets ar better in the wind than standard hunting weight 308 bullets (that's been my comparison cartridge) Expansion stops when the bottom of the hollow point cavity is reached. Re: 338 Federal - 160 gr vs 210 gr [ Re: The_Big_D ] #2352925 08/05/08 I've seen over 100 elk (25 personally) elk killed with cartridges ranging from 22-250 to 340 Roy and dozen in between. Just ask the Kudu in my avatar, or the Kodiak Brown Bear in my pictures, or the blue wildebeest, black wildebeest, springbok, jackel, and numerous black tail deer that have all fallen DRT. But even if you handload to just 2,800 fps, this is the ultimate flat-shooter for the.338. And a brush bucking .338 cartridge is superior for woods and brush country deer hunting to a high velocity small bore. Most of the factory ammo in .338mag is going to be constructed with elk in mind. Here are their published ballistic coefficients (BC) and sectional densities (SD): The 180/.338 Nosler AccuBond is a boat-tail, plastic tipped bullet with a lead core bonded to a gilding metal (copper alloy) jacket. I saw this ammo from Federal… We have asked for such a cartridge for many years, and now Federal has provided it. Joined: Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:44 pm Posts: 1955 Location: Sandy, Utah I have a great load for the Barnes 160 TTSX and a friend of mine has used the Barnes 185 TSX factory load on a medium sized elk … Remington opted for the high power .338 RUM. 22-250 Remington Ackley Improved Load Data, 223 Win Super Short Magnum (WSSM) Load Data, 243 Win Super Short Magnum (WSSM) Load Data, 25 Winchester Super Short Magnum Load Data, 270 Winchester Short Magnum (WSM) Load Data, 7mm Rem Short Action Ultra Magnum Load Data, 7mm Shooting Times Westerner (STW) Load Data, 30-06 Springfield Ackley Improved Load Data, 300 Rem Short Action Ultra Magnum Load Data, 300 Holland & Holland (H&H) Magnum Load Data, 300 Winchester Short Magnum (WSM) Load Data, 325 Winchester Short Magnum (WSM) Load Data, 358 Shooting Times Alaskan (STA) Load Data, 375 Holland & Holland (H&H) Magnum Load Data, 45-70 Gov’t (Strong Actions Only) Load Data, 45 Colt (Single Action Army & Replicas) Load Data, 45 Colt (Ruger & T/C Contender & Encore) Load Data. The 180 ACCUBOND and 200 Fusion factory loads … This one still features a .338 bullet, … 9 1/2M, CCI 250 or Win. Federal’s 200-grain Fusion loading is an excellent all-purpose load. IMHO. It should be a fun project. I believe that OGW has a higher correlation with reality than most other killing power formulas. It describes killing power in terms of range and live animal weight. Both rifles will be based on M14/M1A platform. load data for a 338-06 338-06, all bullet weights Bullet Powder Weight Powder Velocity OAL Primer Source 180gr BTHP 57.0 gr du 4064 2,950 fps Fed LR guest shot in a 26" barrel. The Nosler Partition is the original dual core bullet design. When it becomes available it will probably be the most popular of the Federal factory loads. 185 grain Barnes Triple-Shock - 1068 lbs. I feel that those who do will be pleased with the new caliber. Re: 338 Federal I've been doing research on this for a few months too. This would be primarily intended for hunting deer, feral hogs, black bear and similar size game in wooded or brushy country. Three .338 Federal loads: 180 Nosler AccuBond, 185 Barnes Triple Shock, 210 Nosler Partition. If I were after bear, I would use the same load. Oddly, despite the continued popularity of the .338-06, Federal introduced the .338 Federal, based on the .308Win case necked up to .338. . In the table below is a comparison between the .338 Federal and the older .358 Winchester, another cartridge based on the .308 Winchester. Copyright 2005, 2013 by Chuck Hawks. I've shot elk and deer with my .338/06. But there is potential danger in that course. I saw this ammo from Federal, and was quite impressed. Here is the downrange velocity/energy (in fps and ft. of the three .338 Federal factory loads based on the BigGameInfo ballistics calculator: And here is the trajectory of those loads fired from a rifle with a scope mounted 1.5" over bore and zeroed to take advantage of the +/- 3" maximum point blank range (MPBR) of each load: Optimum Game Weight (OGW) is a method of estimating the killing power of rifle cartridges developed by Edward A. Matunas. It is now up to us hunters to show our appreciation by purchasing .338 Federal rifles and ammunition. From the outside it looks much like a typical jacketed soft point bullet. Don’t let the “.340” fool you. If you were shooting at 500+ yards, the .308 would have some advantages in ballistics as the .338 is really slowing down by then and the .308 is still going decent. Re: 338 Federal - 160 gr vs 210 gr [ Re: The_Big_D ] #2352925 08/05/08 lbs. A light weight 338-06 (or 308, 7-08, 30-06, 280, 270, etc) would be about as good as it gets, IMO. vs. .338 Federal vs. .45-70 Govt. This 338 Federal has been in discussion between me and my buddy from Slidell to primarily shoot hogs. Taking it to Colorado on Elk … One could always go to one of the more powerful factory loads when a flatter trajectory or more power were needed, and that shouldn't be very often. As we have seen, this would still deliver plenty of power for all CXP2 game while generating considerably less recoil than the Premium factory loads. Last edited by The_Derek; 08/05/08 . If you believe, as many do, that 1,500 foot-pounds is more than sufficient, you’ve got the horsepower needed clear out to 700 yards. Rifle combo weighs 5#s 12 oz empty. I would recommend the Remington or Winchester standard powerpoints or corlokts as well as whatever Federal is calling their "standard" load this year. If I were reloading the .338 Federal, probably the first thing I would do is to develop a reduced power handload that duplicates the ballistics suggested by Jack O'Connor many years ago. 9 1/2M, CCI 250 or Win. 308 Winchester will do just about everything 30-06 will, but with a lighter gun and more gun options. The .338 Federal is the first rifle cartridge to bear the Federal name on its headstamp, so it is an important step for the Company. And despite the .338 RCM's impressive numbers, the .338 Federal is no slouch. performance out to 400 yards, without the recoil of magnum rounds. at muzzle, 848 lbs. lbs.) Both perform great and punch thru bone well. You can also click on the image and a pdf version will open in a new window. The rest inside 400+/-. Not sure if I should go the bonded bullet route, looked at the 225 and 250 accubond as well but chose the Berger based my good experiences with other Berger varmint and Hunting bullets and the very high BC. Built on the .308 case and “necked-up” to hold a .338-diameter bullet, the load offers hunters a faster muzzle velocity than traditional favorites like the .308 Win., with a heavier bullet to boot. A Federal 215, Rem. Shoots very flat and consitant. Some of the most popular elk rounds like the 300 mag, 7mm, and 338 magnums all provide less expansion that ultimately increases penetration. The rest inside 400+/-. of energy at that distance. Remember that no matter what the ammo, shot placement is and should always be priority number one when hunting any animal; therefore knowledge of the vitals paired with practice is key for success. I am convinced that heavy recoil, more than any other factor, is what has limited the popularity of all the previous standard medium bore cartridges, including the .33 Winchester, .348 Winchester, .35 Winchester, .356 Winchester, .358 Winchester, and .35 Whelen. The .338/210 Partition is entirely adequate for both CXP2 and CXP3 game. Its disadvantage is that the .308 case has a shorter neck than the 7x57 and to function in short action rifles the relatively long .338 bullets must be seated pretty deep in the case. For comparison, the 180-grain .338 Federal load is about 200 fps faster than a standard 180-grain .308 Winchester load. This would be an excellent general purpose hunting load for the .338 Federal cartridge. The .338 Federal should be particularly attractive to reloaders, who can tailor loads to their specific needs.
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